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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 10/7/2022 3:38 PM

basically

Oh, interesting!

3:38 PM

LOL

Basically Pavlov applied to multiple identity states yeah, I'm just gonna steal that image

That’s a funny way to think of it lol, thanks for explaining! :)

Dawn 🕯

Essentially different thought processes will allow for more conclusions as the tulpa can look at it from a different angle and notice things based off that different perspective

((Yeah, that is something that we notice! There's things that each of us can pick up on that our host can't! And we allhave different interests! Even our tastes are different, we like different foods than Bard does, sometimes even things he doesn't like!))

4:21 PM

They made me eat watermelon. -_-

4:22 PM

The taste thing is fascinating to me. I love energy drinks while my host prefers coffee, but neither of us dislike the other. Similar applies for everyone else's tastes in the system. Recently though there was something Wrath genuinely hated that I was ok with. I forget what it was but I was shocked when he came near the front, recoiled and noped out

《For me it's coffee! As a host, boss-man can't stand coffee! He can drink it when it's just a bunch'a cream and sugar with a little coffee in it, but the real stuff? Thinks it's bitter nastiness. But I think it's just peachy!》

4:29 PM

I like the occasionally frappe with some coffee in it every once in a while, but that's about as far as it goes. Blithe likes it that way too, but he'll also drink it black. I am convinced he's a maniac.

4:29 PM

《Guilty!》

We have different coffee tastes but no hatred of coffee itself. Most of us drink it with a fair amount of creamer but others like Astra like stronger darker coffees, nobody is a pure black person though, atleast nobody who drinks it

What confuses me is how some tastes cross over and others don't. Watermelon, for instance. I've always disliked it, but once Bodhi decided it was something she enjoyed and we ate it while she was fronting, that crossed over to me. I like Watermelon now too, I don't need her influence to enjoy it. Bitter coffee, on the other hand, I still can't stand. I have to have Blithe up front to enjoy it. If he's not at the helm, it's still nasty.

About different tastes and such - it should be actively worked on or just happens with time? Mine sometimes struggle to define when directly asked if she likes something or not.

it's not like it "should" or "shouldn't" really... is having different tastes something you would like to have?

What she said. It's kind of a decision you make? Like, you give them the freedom to enjoy different things than you, and eventually they exercise it.

No not different, i'm okay with anything she would like or not, we just find it strange when she is like "i dunno" and theres awkward silence

is she unopinionated about everything?

No it just happens sometimes (edited)

it might develop with time as she experiences more of the world and is exposed to more things

4:43 PM

is she here on discord at all?

Like pretty much everything in tulpamancy it's a skill/phenomenon that develops over time so long as it's being trained. When it comes to opinions and tastes it's a matter of them trying it and reflecting on that (edited)

is she here on discord at all?

@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk - jump yeah i am.

what's your favourite color elfie?

its green! White-green combination

is it the colors that the character from your pfp has on her clothes? or am i mistaking it with someone else

honestly i don't know, we didn't watch anime. But i'm forest elf, used to wear white dress, and generally love nature :3

i think it's her?

4:47 PM

it's a nice color combination!

you know, i'm thinking now it's just my "taste the rainbow" approach doesn't work on some things

what does it mean?

i think it's her? attachment

@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk - jump Ohhh yeah, her dress is cute tho i should try wear it

i agree. it's cute!

4:49 PM

what do you think about this song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKxyLmbOc0Q

*namirin

Renai Circulation「恋愛サーキュレーション」歌ってみた【＊なみりん】

Its one of my favourite songs. Elfie says she likes it less, male vocal sounds better.

i'm not sure where "i dunno" comes from, i don't see that?

it happens sometimes. Well yeah, thanks for testing me, i think i just dislike some topics or they are too alien to fit my views there... You always have to say something about what your headmate is doing?

4:59 PM

better just play something out and see, that's what i call taste the rainbow approach

4:59 PM

(i made it up just now)

of course you don't have to always say something

System of a Bard

What confuses me is how some tastes cross over and others don't. Watermelon, for instance. I've always disliked it, but once Bodhi decided it was something she enjoyed and we ate it while she was fronting, that crossed over to me. I like Watermelon now too, I don't need her influence to enjoy it. Bitter coffee, on the other hand, I still can't stand. I have to have Blithe up front to enjoy it. If he's not at the helm, it's still nasty.

that happens to me with music, im able to enjoy some things through katie. i just let them listen and instantly changes my perception of it

11:45 AM

usually it does not totally change the experience, they dont have any VERY different taste to mine, but sometimes that allows me to enjoy it more, or when i feel bored/tired of a song i can enjoy it once again

System of a Bard

What confuses me is how some tastes cross over and others don't. Watermelon, for instance. I've always disliked it, but once Bodhi decided it was something she enjoyed and we ate it while she was fronting, that crossed over to me. I like Watermelon now too, I don't need her influence to enjoy it. Bitter coffee, on the other hand, I still can't stand. I have to have Blithe up front to enjoy it. If he's not at the helm, it's still nasty.

i guess you also feel through your tulpa or do you not enjoy when they are enjoying the coffee?

11:49 AM

and what exaclty do you mean by fronting? like, letting them have full control? in my case i just proxy them whatever im feeling and my perception of it changes

When he's drinking the coffee, I'm still aware of the fact that I don't like it. It tastes so bitter and awful. But his experience is kinda sitting on top of mine and overrides it? Like, he can taste the bitter too, but for him that's a desirable quality. The same awful bitterness that makes me recoil is something he experiences as pleasurable.

11:51 AM

And no, it's not like a full control sort of situation. It's kind of like when someone comes forward, they become like a filter that everything passes through before it reaches me? It's hard to explain.

its probably different with phisical things like taste in contrast with music.

System of a Bard

When he's drinking the coffee, I'm still aware of the fact that I don't like it. It tastes so bitter and awful. But his experience is kinda sitting on top of mine and overrides it? Like, he can taste the bitter too, but for him that's a desirable quality. The same awful bitterness that makes me recoil is something he experiences as pleasurable.

but do you feel the "negative reward"/"suffering" of drinking bitter coffee when they are fronting?

Kinda? A little bit? I feel them both. I feel the badness of the experience of drinking coffee from my perspective, but I also feel the satisfaction and pleasure of it from his perspective. They're both there.

im still to find something that katie enjoys while i just dislike it so i cant relate this time...

《We use this metaphor of bein' in a car a lot when we talk about frontin'! It's like boss gives us the steerin' wheel, but he's always got the foot on the gas, ey?》

so its like you let them act but you could remove it at any point i guess

11:55 AM

i dont know if i can give katie control in any way

11:55 AM

that would be cool

Actually, the same thing applies to really spicy food. Mind, I enjoy spicy food. I like hot things up to a point. But if I get in really hot water with something super spicy, I need to tap out and let Blithe handle it, because he has a much higher heat tolerance than me. Or rather, it's the same thing with the coffee. He feels the intense burning and pain that I do, he just interprets it differently. Like, the sensation is the same for him, but he finds it satisfying while I find it overwhelming. We found a local taqueria the other day, and I made the mistake of ordering something infused with real habañeros. I couldn't handle it, but he just went to town.

Txoka

so its like you let them act but you could remove it at any point i guess

And yeah, it's like that. I can always revoke it if I really want to. But I don't, and I won't. It's like a trust exercise. They have my permission to be themselves. It'd have to be an extreme situation for me to ever rescind that.

System of a Bard

Actually, the same thing applies to really spicy food. Mind, I enjoy spicy food. I like hot things up to a point. But if I get in really hot water with something super spicy, I need to tap out and let Blithe handle it, because he has a much higher heat tolerance than me. Or rather, it's the same thing with the coffee. He feels the intense burning and pain that I do, he just interprets it differently. Like, the sensation is the same for him, but he finds it satisfying while I find it overwhelming. We found a local taqueria the other day, and I made the mistake of ordering something infused with real habañeros. I couldn't handle it, but he just went to town.

thats a fun way of managing it

Txoka

thats a fun way of managing it

《Gimme AAAAALL the caustic mouth-feels! I'm a bit of a masochist. xD》

im trying to let katie read for me in hopes of developing their voice a little, but i end up reading over them and they stop reading (i fade into the reading). i think its harder for them to read for a while. also i understand less when they read instead of me. any recomendation?

I might try Journaling together. Give yourself a prompt, answer it for yourself, then ask her to express her own feelings about it. Anything that helps a tulpa express differentiation tends to be good for developing their voice.

i think i struggle with having katie think of complex reasons for something, instant thoughts just come to them usually but i dont think they could argue what they think about something yet...

System of a Bard

I might try Journaling together. Give yourself a prompt, answer it for yourself, then ask her to express her own feelings about it. Anything that helps a tulpa express differentiation tends to be good for developing their voice.

ill try to focus a bit

Txoka

ill try to focus a bit

{{If you can, are you able to identify any particular thing that you feel differently about? The most engaging conversations often arise out of differences of opinion.}} (edited)

we do have different taste in music and some drinks, but thats as far as it goes, its nothing we can argue about because we cannot explain it (edited)

12:19 PM

usually we enjoy more engaging with other people than talking to each other because we have a good idea of what the other will think. we often talk when katie surprises me doing something and i say whatever dumb stuff to them and they respond equally as dumb... we just joke between each other (probably because its easy and intuitive small talk)

12:19 PM

maybe we could read news together and say what we think about them or something like that

12:20 PM

i think i need to build some separation

>>Separation is healthy for us. It is well worth it to identify and refine differences.<<

katie is still very young, they have a lot of independence on movement, they can wander arround and do gestures and such, but when it comes to speech is a bit more limited

12:24 PM

i could try to let them do gestures and then speak, maybe that way i can tie their movement independence to their speech

Txoka

im trying to let katie read for me in hopes of developing their voice a little, but i end up reading over them and they stop reading (i fade into the reading). i think its harder for them to read for a while. also i understand less when they read instead of me. any recomendation?

Ime reading is a lot trickier than you'd think because you're both trying to focus on their reading and they have to focus on doing the reading

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Ime reading is a lot trickier than you'd think because you're both trying to focus on their reading and they have to focus on doing the reading

i can manage sometimes

5:17 PM

but i usually fade into it after a while

Plus splitting your attention like that is super tiring at first

5:20 PM

I'd maybe recommend making a record of when you find yourself reading instead of her

5:21 PM

At least for me and other meditation practices, it both keeps you alert to that and will let you measure progress a lot more accurately than just going by feel

however, one thing that has bugged me enough to the point of not deciding to in previous considerations. i feel like if i try that i'll like... do something wrong? and either end up hurting the hypothetical tulpa in this situation or making them hate me.

@plum Just moving here. What do you think you might do that would hurt them or be wrong?

I’m interested to hear it too

i don't know. i just feel like im bound to do something without even realizing it.

2:25 AM

that's just how things generally have been going as long as I can remember.

plum

i don't know. i just feel like im bound to do something without even realizing it.

you should start by convincing yourself that this is not the case, there is pretty much nothing you can do wrong

4:29 PM

as long as you treat correctly your tulpa youll be alright

4:31 PM

i created katie by just imagining them wandering and doing stuff arround my home, you should first get a form for them and then let them interact with the environment (potentialy an imaginary version of your real environment or maybe just a totally fake one)

4:31 PM

they just developed after that

Txoka

you should start by convincing yourself that this is not the case, there is pretty much nothing you can do wrong

yeah, been trying to take a deep breath about that.

Txoka

i created katie by just imagining them wandering and doing stuff arround my home, you should first get a form for them and then let them interact with the environment (potentialy an imaginary version of your real environment or maybe just a totally fake one)

what do you mean by "get a form"? actually, i don't quite understand most of this message.

A form is just how you imagine them

1:48 AM

It’s just another word for appearance

1:49 AM

We personally prefer animals over humanoid as they are easier to visualize

oh, so visualization of those things

Their form isn’t them and it shouldn’t have a but impact on who they are as a person but for many people a form is very important for development and communication because they can visualize their tulpa’s actions and make them feel more real

that may be a tiny bit of a problem. i'm sure there's ways of working around it, but for as long as i've known i've been unable to do mind magic of that sort :^). sound i know i'm really good at, but everything else is kinda non-existent

Some people can’t imagine things

1:54 AM

You don’t need it

1:54 AM

I can imagine objects and such but honestly we never use it in the context of tulpamancy

interesting.

Is it normal to get a lot of pressure headaches and a lot of mental tiredness from making a tulpa? Created Ryder today, and I’ve been trying to force - talked to them a bit, narrated a school trip. Been feeling headaches since I’ve decided that yes I do want to make a tulpa (yesterday, though I hadn’t started following any guides until today) though which made me wonder if I’d accidentally created one at some point and it’s emerging or if the pressure was from something else. For reference, it’s 12 pm and I got about 7 hrs of sleep last night (woke up at 5:30, which is normal for me), went to school and went on a trip, got back and now we’re here. Currently dead tired and I want to fall back asleep. (edited)

it's very common!

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